M.P. asks from Chicago, IL on December 23, 2010
Building 2 Year Old Independence
I have a 2-fold question. I want to put my son in an excellent dance class with a teacher I love, but it's a 2-3 year old class and it's NOT Mom & Tot, so he'd have to deal with being in the class room with me outside and the windows are one-way so he wouldn't be able to see me. I don't think my son could handle the separation anxiety; he's very clingy.
I'm a stay-at-home mom and all day he asks for my husband and then when my husband comes home he wants me there too-- both of us at all times, even though the only days he has both of us are on weekends so I don't know why he hasn't gotten used to this yet after 2 years.
So my question is
A) Are there any ways you can think of to get my kid to be independent enough to handle this 1h class, other than the obvious-- leave him for short then longer and longer periods of time with different people?
B) Would your 2-year-old be capable of handling a class like this? I question how this class is developmentally appropriate since most 2-year-old classes are mom & tot, and honestly I'm somewhat comforted by his clingyness at this age because he's so small and portable he would be easy to kidnap and frankly I would rather he scream and cry when separated from me and placed in the care of a stranger (or almost stranger) so that he'd draw attention to himself, until he's older and more capable of running away and having the discretion to tell the DIFFERENCE between a stranger and a friend. Am I crazy?
I don't really know what's normal. The class always fills up so clearly there are kids capable of handling it. I've taken him to watch the class many times and he likes the teacher and the dancing, but I took him to participate once on a drop-in day and he just couldn't take it. Who's in the minority? My clingy 2-year-old or the 2-year-olds that handle this class just fine? Or is it anything-goes at this age?
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Ok after reading these responses I see that I need to add a bit more to the picture.
1) He's an only child thus far. No siblings to make him feel comfortable and his friends wouldn't feel comfortable in our home without their parents either... i took him to a daycare once with a friend and he screamed so much he scare the friend and both kids left (the friend goes there all the time and never has a problem; mine set her off).
2) We can't afford to go out or have a sitter. Grandparents watch him when we leave; friends have watched him a couple of times and wouldn't do it any more cuz they couldn't take the screaming.
3) When I took him to the drop-in class he screamed for 15 minutes at which point the teacher took him out and gave him to me because he was distracting the class and she couldn't make him happy. I took him to a really fun looking daycare at the Y with a ton of toys and indoor play equipment and bounce house and everything and he screamed for 15 mins. and the daycare people came and got me and had me take him away.
Like I said, he's reeeaaally clingy. I have tried to leave for short stints and take him to new places and leave him with different people and it's very hit-or-miss. Usually miss.
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J.C. answers from Chicago on December 26, 2010
Both of my children attended Mommmy and me classes. My kids really liked a gym class. All sorts of toys that they could ride or push. Things to climb on. The teacher would sing songs and do finger plays, etc. I met a lot of moms that way. I could have "adult time" and watch my child and/;or play.
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N.P. answers from Chicago on December 24, 2010
Here are ways to build independence, and you NEED to! Right now in my daycare I have four kids that age and all of them are able to separate easily, play independently for hours, and know when a stranger is ok or not. (like when I have another daycare parent come in they know that person is ok and usually run up and hug them, but if a worker or one of my friends they dont' know comes they are shy and stay back or even start crying)
*set him up with a toy and then keep leaving the room and coming back
*make sure he sleeps by himself
*teach him how to do things by himself - at that age they can dress, undress, go potty, get on their coat, hat and shoes/boots, get a snack if you put them in the right place
*enroll him in the library classes for his age, usually they are free and short
*get a babysitter and start using her/him every month at the least and yes, enroll him in the class too!!
*teach him to say hi to strangers, yes, this is a good thing, it's being polite and it's learning that with Mommy there things are ok
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P.W. answers from Dallas on December 23, 2010
I think two is still very small and there is no rush to push him to independence. You are his world now and I think that is normal. Why not start with short little babysitting stints with someone he knows and trusts to help get him accustomed to being without you, but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.
I was a very clingy child myself. I can remember being horrified to be left with my aunt and uncle. My other three sibs were there and happy campers. I had 5 cousins there! I was probably six years old. My mother indulged me and came and got me....... now I'm not sure she should have rescued me, but I can tell you I am an independent adult although I never was really away from home on my own until college.
My opinion: Bottom line. Pushing a little is okay, but I don't see a need to overdo it.
C.P. answers from Albuquerque on December 23, 2010
Hi, I have quite the opposite type kid, my girl is 2 and very independent (but also very loving and cuddly when she wants to be). My suggestion would be to look at the way you do "mom & me" activities. For example, when you're at a park or playgroup, are you constantly standing close by or reaching in to "help" him out? If he feels that he can't do anything on his own, of course he's going to be very anxious (clingy) when you try to leave him somewhere without you. Take him to established (and new) activities and encourage him to try things out on his own. Stand (or sit) back and watch him--let him know that you're there to help if he needs you "Mama's right here, tell me if you need help," but let him try to do things on his own. Even if you see him having a hard time, hold yourself back and let him "fail" a little, too (as long as the danger level is minimal). If he comes running back to you, keep encouraging "wow, I saw you (try to) climb up those steps!" but don't jump up to help.
My hubby worked out of town for over a year and I was pretty much a single parent during that time. I had to figure out ways to make things work for just the 2 of us, and this was how I did it. Hubby had a hard time at first, realizing that our little girl could do so much "on her own." But I think it's important to teach them that they can do things, they need to ask for help sometimes, and it's okay to fail sometimes. My girl has also been in daycare since she was an infant, so she's used to being with her "teachers" all day anyways.
Other than that, I wish you luck! I'm looking into dance classes, too, but will probably wait another year until her attention span is a little longer! :) Try Gymboree/Little Gym or some other playgroup--builds confidence and gets the kids socialized!
D.B. answers from Chicago on December 23, 2010
First, I get where you are coming from when you say you like that he doesn't want to be with other people. However, you are on the verge of creating a "monster" for lack of a better word. If he feels that you want him to be clingy, and he likes being clingy, it will just get worse with age. Do you and your husband have date nights? Do you leave him with a sitter? I am a preschool teacher and I see this sometimes with kids that are never, not with mom/dad. They have meltdowns, shake, & can't play with other kids because they are so worried about mom not coming back. Trust me when I tell you that you are not doing him any favors by allowing him to be with only you. A class where you can wait outside without distracting the teacher is what he needs.
When my kids were babies, I did in-home daycare. I was with them all of the time. However, my husband and I had a date night almost every single week. I needed it, and the girls needed it. Sometimes there was crying when we were going, but they got over it. Since we did it pretty much every week, they knew we were coming back and looked at the sitter as a new play friend.
You are doing the right thing by signing him up for a class. He needs to slowly get over being with mom and dad all of the time. This is not healthy for anyone. Most kids do fine with a little class here or there. Those that don't, truly benefit from being exposed to small classes here and there. It builds their self esteem and a little independence, and that is a good thing. Most kids go to preschool now, and those that are confident that mom/dad are coming back to get them, do really well and can consentrate on learning. The kids that are insecure have such anxiety that is tough to watch and sometimes tough to deal with. They can be very distracting to the entire class. Then their are other kids that meltdown and mom caves in and takes them home....those kids are controlling. These kids will continue to control until Kindergarten, then it becomes "sorry you have to go to school and all of the crying in the world will not stop me from leaving".
My daughter had a little boy in her Kindergarten class, (never went to preschool & was never without mom or dad) he cried every single morning. When I tell you every single morning, I am not kidding. This boy screamed for his mom not to leave him, and would throw himself on the ground. At first, we all felt bad for him. By the end of September, the rest of us dropping off our kids, we were done listening to him. By October, his mom was so done and at the point of anger with him. He started getting better right before Thanksgiving, still crying but not screaming. Then we were off for break and he was back screaming. Then after Christmas break he was back to the way he was at the beginning of school. The only person I felt sorry for, was his mom. This poor woman looked like she was at the end of her rope.
Did he immediately meltdown, or was the class too long for him? Maybe you could look for a class that is not an hour long. Most park districts offer "all by myself" type classes for the young ones, that are less than an hour. Just the perfect amount of time (30-45min) of time without mom.
If you really don't want to send him to another class, start with a sitter that comes to your house and watches him a couple hours a week. Ask friends and neigbors to recommend a sitter and try to use her at least once a week. If he is at home, it might make the separation easier and then once he knows that you are coming back and not going to leave him, he will be ready for a class. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for. If he is controlling you and getting away with it, he already knows exactly what to do to get what he wants.... you. :) Chin up he's young, just a little encouragement from you will go along way. You need to be okay with leaving him first, then he will be okay with you leaving. :)
S.W. answers from Minneapolis on December 23, 2010
Could your anxiety be adding to his? Leaving him in the care of a responsible adult and helping him be comfortable with this is not going to lead to him being kidnapped. As you said, leaving him for short and then longer periods of time is necessary for him to adjust to being away from you. And aren't you ready for a break?
My daughter started daycare for 6 hours a day at 3 months, and by age 2 was there for about 8 hours a day. She almost never displayed any separation anxiety - maybe 3 mornings, total, for about 5 minutes each time.
M.A. answers from Chicago on December 23, 2010
I don't have an answer regarding the dance class, but I have gone through this with my oldest. I joined a gym with daycare when she was 2 and it took a whole week for her to stay there without crying. You just have to be patient but persistent. I knew to expect very short workouts for a while (like 15 minutes). They would come get me when she cried that long. But she eventually got used to it. Every kid there did that at that age.
It doesn't sound like the dance class would tolerate that because they are actually trying to teach, plus it's not something you can do everyday.
D.S. answers from Houston on December 23, 2010
seperation anxiety usually last less than 5 minutes. both are normal
C.W. answers from Chicago on December 24, 2010
As a dance teacher and mom, I can tell you that your child is NORMAL but I'm a big advocate of starting to leettt gooo! Its hard, and I concur w/many of the suggestions below in terms of starting to get your child aquainted with life without you (the health club/Y play rooms, sitters, etc. are a great way to start). And you must stick with it! If you think that your child is extra clingy, this particular class might not be for you all right now, and working into the separation experiences more gradually might be a better fit. But just to speak to the class portion of your question - typically dance classes are offered w/o parent from age 3 up, but its not unheard of for some places to offer at age 2 if its kept light and fun. In fact, I'm likely going to put my own 16 mo. old in a movement class geared for her age (and its without parent! i thought a little young, but i really trust the instructor!). Part of that trust is to let the instructor do her job - its actually MORE distracting and undermines the instructor to have the parent in-sight. Part of what I do with preschool dancers is build a comfort in the routine of the class, create a welcoming environment, and let our "class community" build over time. The first few classes can be tough for some of the littlest ones - they don't know what to expect! But I have lots of tricks up my sleeve to get kids focused on what's happening in the room instead of missing parents. Its unfortunate that the instructor took your child out during your trial class - I'm thinking its because its was a trial and the the behavior was unfair to the regular students. good luck!
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