J.O. asks from Corvallis, OR on May 25, 2010
Bribery and When to Use Training Pants
Hello Mamas!
I have a 2.5+ yo daughter who we have been trying to potty train for about two months now. sometimes she sits on the potty sometimes she doesn't. We never force her to however. Most of the time (90%) she will pee when she sits on the potty. She has never pooped on the potty. We need to have her potty trained by august to start school.
My question is two fold.
1) Do you recommend bribery? For instance a friend of mine used one M&M each time her child went pee on the potty and this seemed to go quite well for her and then she was able to quickly stop this but he continued to go. I'm not a fan of using food as rewards, but I feel like if she had a little insentive of some sort (a reason to stop playing and use the toilet so to speak) she'd be more willing to participate.
2) My second question is when in the world do I try training pants? I have several Potty Patty training pants and I don't know whether just one day I put them on her so she has the sensation of peeing or if she should be more potty trained before I try them. I'm so confused?!
Thanks ahead of time for everyone's suggestions!
-Jenn
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So What Happened?™
Thanks to all the mama's who took the guilt out of using an 'incentive' for my daughter to want to use the potty more. We were already reading, doing puzzles and singing on the potty with her as well as giving her lots of praise when she went. I also appreciate all the comments about pull ups...the patty potty training pants are just very thick cloth underware (I wasn't talking about pull-ups). We went this weekend and bought a bunch of big girl underware and plan to introduce it this week. Thanks again for all the help!!
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W.C. answers from Seattle on May 26, 2010
I was told when the issue of potty training came up for my first child, that there were three things you could not make a child to do--eat, sleep, or pee or poop on cue. (sigh)
But I found you could move toward making the environment that will make the child want to do the things you desire.
My son at 4 was not potty trained and with a two year old sister behind him, I was changing a lot of diapers. I took him to meet his new preschool teacher and she said to me within ear shot of him, that she did not change or normally take children who were still in diapers. Since all his friends were going, he was very motivated to be "trained" and was trained the next day. It was the easiest thing I never did.
I don't think bribery works with toilet training. With summer coming wait for a hot week (?) and let her run pantless for a week and see how it feels to be dry. Then, introduce some really beautiful training or fancy underpants that she wants to wear. Offer them to her and let her wear them on another hot (?) week. If it doesn't work, go back to letting her run pantless again.
L.G. answers from Eugene on May 26, 2010
Jenn whatever bribery you decide on don't use candy or sweets. She needs her teeth for a lifetime. Frankly I would tell her she can start school and be with other children and play all day long if she is potty trained.
L.M. answers from Portland on May 26, 2010
1) use stickers instead of food, for the reason you mentioned. Keeping food in the bathroom is gross anyway.
2) I'd try the training pants starting now. There will be some accidents but that is probably what she needs to experience in order to want to use the potty.
Good luck!
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S.S. answers from Seattle on May 26, 2010
Every child is different, but most will potty train when they are ready and some are more stubborn about it than others! My son is finally potty trained (hallelujah!) and it took us a full year of cheering, then stickers, then giving him treats as rewards. I'm not above giving M&Ms (that's what we used). However, we did have a few weeks where my son decided he would poop a little at a time (more M&Ms that way!) so then we had to start judging his poops (good lord, I never thought I'd be examining a poop to determine how many M&Ms it was worth!). In any case, asking for treats petered off a while back, but he was still in pull-ups most days and underwear on the weekend. At the end we felt he was getting confused by going back and forth so bit the bullet and told him we had run out of pull-ups and couldn't afford more (hopefully these things won't come back to haunt me in therapy years later!) so he had to wear underwear. And you know what, he has worn underwear from that day on and only had one tiny accident (it's been nearly a month now!)! We continually tell him how proud we are of him and we do put a pull-up on him at night still but praise him endlessly when he wakes up and it's dry. Since being potty trained during the day, he's more apt to wake at night now to go potty, which is tiring, but good. I don't think it will be long now before he's night trained as well.... I think if she goes 90 per cent of the time, you should try underwear for a whole day and reward her at the end of that, then go two days and so on... If she can go even a day with underwear and not have an accident, she's very close to being potty trained.
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A.C. answers from Houston on May 25, 2010
I went straight to panties and only used diapers ay night for the first 7-10 days of training. At that point, she was waking with dry diapers on a very regular basis. In the 8-9 months she's been trained, there have only been a handful of night time accidents and I can attribute those mostly to being sick (and having to take Benadryl) or a big disruption in schedule. I know night training isn't so common at this age, but I got lucky.
My daughter showed many signs of readiness at 2 years, but I missed my window and had to wait until 2.5 before she seemed cooperative again. I didn't want to use candy. I resisted using candy. I was in denial about the candy.
The candy worked. I think the "reward" can be different for every kid. Some kids love cars, trains, stickers, etc...not mine. She loves jelly beans and m&ms. That being said, a very big reason that I believe it worked was because treats are very few and far between in our house. A child that gets sweets on a regular basis may not be so receptive.
I had three screw-top jars...jelly beans, marshmallows, and m&ms that resided just outside the bathroom. She could have one or two jelly beans or marshmallows for peeing and m&ms for pooping. Nothing for "trying"...only do or don't do. At some point, she would say that "I want chocolate" instead of "I need to poop".
She was virtually accident-free in two weeks and once the treats were gone, they were gone. After the first few days, I didn't offer the treat and she only got it when she asked.
For the record...she did just fine with stickers ay daycare. Maybe I caved too early, but it was worth it for a speedy process.
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D.C. answers from Portland on May 26, 2010
Well let me tell you first, its not bribery, its not rewards, its creative parenting. lol. First of all, I know how frustrating it can be. I have twin boys and I tried on and off for over 6mos when they were 2 1/2 to potty train them. One would catch on and then stop and then the other would catch on then stop. Daycare was also helping me out. They did alot better at daycare then at home. Partly my fault, I didn't have the patience of sitting around in the bathroom waiting for them to go. I tried reading stories, sing songs etc. just to get them to sit there for a minute. My boys get bored with things really quickly. So I gave up after a while because nothing was working. Then when they 3 1/2 I decided that they need to get this down. They would move to the next class in school if they are not potty trained, all their friends were moving. So I thought to myself to just trained one at a time. For some reason I picked the one that had the least interest in it, in hopes that his brother would just follow. For some reason in worked in litteraly 3 days. No treats, nothing. We did make an occasional phone call to dad at work to share the excitement. After that three days I did use pull-ups for about 3 weeks just to be safe and then after that training pants. I just told them it was underwear. They won't know the difference unless you show them. Now there is my second son. It definately did not go as easy at the first one. We tried stickers, it didn't work. I tried not giving anything for trying and only a sticker or m&m for actually going. I don't think he really knew what the difference was so when I would give him something he felt like he didn't do a good job. He got bored with the stickers. He understood the m&ms a little better. I was taking him every hour. I was really at my whits end and then I got some advice from someone on this website. The advice was to get an little electronic hand held game for them to play with only when they are sitting on the potty. My boy is really attracted to anything electronic. So I found a "CARS" game at Walmart for $10. I put it up on the shelf so he could see it. I told him that he could play with it only when he sat on the potty. It worked like a charm. He was going from sitting on the potty for maybe 10 seconds, if I was lucky, to sitting on the potty for 3 minutes. It got to the point that I could just leave it on the tubs edge and he would go in by himself, grab his game and go potty. He never played the game otherwise. I think I even heard dad playing it a time or two. hehe. After a few weeks the pullups went away during the day and then to training pants just because we had them and now to underwear. They have never had an accident at school and only a few at home. They just turned 4 in march and we are diaper free. We actually found some the other day and the boys wanted to take them to the Baby House at school for extras. I am just about the take the next step and not having any pullups at night for my first son because he hasn't had any accidents for about 4 weeks and has been waking up to go potty. The other, well lets just say, we have some work to do. Ahhhhh....to be potty training free. So just hang in there. There is no rule of how you do things, I have tried them all. Just have patience. She just might be a little young yet and I understand how the pressure of being potty trained for school can add to the pressure. Have you ever thought about finding a school where they don't need to be potty trained so young. Just a thought. :) Sorry for the book.
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C.D. answers from Orlando on May 25, 2010
Rewarding your child does work. My son loves to listen to stries so for a week every two hrs we would go to the potty and he would pee or not we would sit there for few minutes and may be read a small story. In a week he started liking the experience. Also both me and my husband started giving him a hug every time he went potty and he loved the attention. When ever he had an accident we would say yucckkky together and he hated the dirty feeling.
Now in a month my son is fully potty trained.
W.C. answers from Seattle on May 26, 2010
I was told when the issue of potty training came up for my first child, that there were three things you could not make a child to do--eat, sleep, or pee or poop on cue. (sigh)
But I found you could move toward making the environment that will make the child want to do the things you desire.
My son at 4 was not potty trained and with a two year old sister behind him, I was changing a lot of diapers. I took him to meet his new preschool teacher and she said to me within ear shot of him, that she did not change or normally take children who were still in diapers. Since all his friends were going, he was very motivated to be "trained" and was trained the next day. It was the easiest thing I never did.
I don't think bribery works with toilet training. With summer coming wait for a hot week (?) and let her run pantless for a week and see how it feels to be dry. Then, introduce some really beautiful training or fancy underpants that she wants to wear. Offer them to her and let her wear them on another hot (?) week. If it doesn't work, go back to letting her run pantless again.
T.P. answers from Portland on May 27, 2010
You will get a lot of different suggestions since everyone potty trains differently, but this was our experience (with my daughter being done training by 2.5).
1) Yes, I used bribery. In various forms (to keep things fresh). In the beginning we read short books while she sat on the potty. Once she was comfortable on it and peeing quicker I used the books less. 2 of the potty books I got had sticker charts in them and she LOVED this. One sticker for trying, one for actually going. This really helped move things along. Now I still use bribery of some kinds (we can't go out and play until you go pee, etc.) but it's mostly common sense things in that she can't go to the next activity until she pees. Find what motivates her and use it.
2) Buy her several packages of big girl panties (or cloth training pants...but call them big girl panties), wash them and put them in a basket. If she goes pee, let her pick out her own pair and wear them for a while and make a BIG deal about how much of a big girl this makes her. If the weather is nice, keep her outside or play in the kitchen or a "safe" location and (this is important) LET HER HAVE ACCIDENTS but be very calm and matter of fact "wow honey, you peed. Next time you feel that tingly feeling tell me and we'll go to the potty". Then take her to the potty and see if she finishes peeing there. This goes a LONG way to helping her really know what the sensation of peeing is like. She won't get that in a pull up or diaper. My daughter LOVEs being able to pick her own panties and still does, it's a big incentive for her. For my daughter, stressing the big girl aspect and letting her wear panties as a reward for peeing in the potty was huge. I also took her to the open house at her future preschool and she loved it. I made it a mantra "what do you need to do to go to the preschool?" and she would answer "pee in the potty and big girl panties!!!". I would remind her of this when she didn't want to sit on the potty. It helped.
Good luck!
T.H. answers from Chicago on May 25, 2010
I wouldn't bother with training pants if you can avoid them. All it does it let them think they can pee in pants without the consequences of wetness. I used to let my little girl wear panties, and when she wet them I would wait about thirty seconds longer than usual before changing them. If there was any wetness on the floor I would also have her "help" me clean up, but not in a disciplinary way.
There's nothing wrong with a small incentive as long as she really understands what's going on.
L.N. answers from Portland on May 26, 2010
Hi Jenn,
There is a great book called Diaper Free Before 3, and I highly recommend it. It does not recommend bribery (and I don't either), and it does recommend getting them into cloth pants immediately. There are great plastic covers if you (like Dappi) if you don't want to have pee on the clothes each time. Good luck to you!
Your sister in toileting now,
L.
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