Blood in Vegan Infant's Stool

Umm forgive me for being rude...He's 15 weeks old and has had blood in his stool for 6 WEEKS???? It could be a number of things and you've ignored it? Well you do have absolutely no choice but to seek medical help. Good grief!

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ANY BLEEDING IN A 15 WEEK OLD INFANT IS DANGEROUS IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE CAUSE OR SOURCE!!!

I don't have a good answer, just some suggestions. The Dr has seemed to rule out fissures and I agree it doesn't sound like allergies. Is the Dr not worried? Did you have an occult blood test done just to be 100 % sure it's blood and not something else? Color matters! Bright red or black? Each indicates different issues. I personally believe you are down to possible invasive procedures, there is really no getting around it. First, I would ask the Dr to order stool cultures for bacteria and parasites. You don't eat eggs, but it is possible baby could have been exposed to salmonella or something else. This would be the least invasive. Next comes scopes, ect...I say persist with the Dr to figure this out!!!!

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I would definitely take him to a Pediatric GI. They can begin with a stool test (so bring some to your first appointment) and I would also suggest having an ultrasound to see if he has any abrasions internally. I don't think it is anything you are eating and I would continue breastfeeding, it does sound like there may be something internally in one of his intestines.
Good Luck! Let us know what happens.

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What did the lab tests find?
Is this fresh blood? RBCs, etc.?
or simply reddish staining without major blood components?

If child is pooping many times a day,
have you done any charting/journaling
regarding what you have just previously eaten
versus what's showing up in his stool?

Since he's generally happy and not showing signs of pain,
is gaining weight appropriately, I totally agree with you
regarding not wanting any invasive procedures.
And of course you shouldn't stop breast feeding.
Yikes!

Have you checked in with La Leche League?
Y'never know what situations
they may already have encountered over the years.

FWIW, if they decide it's necessary to do any scoping exams,
your baby will be sedated and the people who do this kind of exam
will not be LEARNING on your child.
They will be experienced and competent.
They got into this field because of their love and caring for children.

Remember to B-R-E-A-T-H-E.
Also, enjoy how happy and apparently pain-free your baby is.

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C.,
No expert here...that sounds extremely scary to me.
Please find a pediatric gastroenterologist in your area. Call a nearby Childrens Hospital for a list of them, if you haven't already.

Here is one article with some common causes: Cracked, bleeding nipple in mom, circumcision healing, small crack in his rectum....
http://www.babycenter.com/404_is-it-normal-that-theres-a-...

Is your baby pale? It could be Meckels' diverticulum.

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C., you need a pediatric gastroenterologist. Is there a children's hospital in your area? How about a teaching hospital?

I hope that you get him checked out here. It might not have anything to do with your breastmilk. It could have something to do with his structure. There are tests they can do to figure this out.

All my best,
D.

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Hmmm...what a challenge. First, are you sure it is blood, and not just colored stools from something you ate (like beets)? Was it tested with a hemoccult test to confirm it is actually blood? Second, are you certain that you have totally eliminated soy and cow's milk out of your diet? Cow's milk is fairly easy, but remember that many foods contain some soy (and don't need to be labelled as such on the packaging or may be a modified version of soy) or are manufactured in places where soy was/is also processed. If your baby is taking large quantities of breast milk (a virtual oversupply), it is possible to have the stools contain a small amount of blood due to an accumulative amount of soy or cows' milk protein contained in your milk.

At four months old, it is hard to tell what it is -- or, more importantly, if is even a problem at all for your little guy. My guess is that since he is, by all other aspects, happy, healthy, and growing well, he is likely fine, and this issue can again be addressed when be begins to take a significant portion of solids on top of your milk at 6 months or more. You cannot test him for food allergies anyway, and there is no clear evidence that food elimination really gets to the root of the problem -- since so many foods today are really not "pure," so to speak, but really combos of multiple food types (may contain modified soy for thickener or flavor, dyes to color, and what not).

I commend you for maintaining a vegan lifestyle AND breastfeeding your infant in what tends to be a meat- and formula-oriented society. My hunch would be that if you were to seek help from a medical specialist like a gastroenterologist, the first thing he/she would do is make you feel like a crazy, inadequate mother for your choices. There are few breast milk friendly and even fewer vegan friendly docs out there - and very likely, without hesitation they would slap you with a diagnosis of milk protein allergy and push you toward a protein hydrolysate or amino acid formla. My suggestion, therefore, would be to let this go -- for now. Ensure that he is gaining good weight. At 17 lbs at nearly 4 months, he's just right. He's happy, and I presume he does not have eczema? Likely this is mild food allergy that is NOT affecting his growth, and if it does not affect his growth, there are no long term consequences and he can be permitted to naturally outgrow it (which most infants will do by a year of age.)

Good luck! And remember to take your nutritional yeast for B12 support, for both you and baby. Please update and let us know what happened.

No advice, but just wanted to let you know we see several specialists at Children's Mercy in KC and love that place!! I would check into a specialist there.

I just wanted to say GOOD FOR YOU! You sound like a great mother - regardless of the clearly illiterate and ignorant women below who obviously didn't read you post in its entirety. I have no insight but would probably meet w/ a specialist just to be sure. I steer clear of "medications" (OTC's, tylenol, advil etc.) and completely understand your hesitance of invasive procedures. But peace of mind would win out so I would meet with someone devoted to that field to be at ease. Best wishes to you and your happy boy!

That does sound like there is something else going on. I would also suggest checking with Children's Mercy since they have more experience with unusual problems that general pediatrician's don't often see. Best of luck!!

I think you phrased your "?" very well...giving us the info we needed.

Since you've tried the elimination diet & all "easy" answers have not resolved this issue, I truly believe it is time to begin medical procedures to determine the cause of your son's condition. It is obviously not going away & ....to me....it is a concern. It may well be a fissure - up higher than the naked eye can see, but will still require diagnosis & treatment. As for other options as to what it could be......I'm clueless.....which again prompts me into recommending seeking further diagnostics. I truly believe you've waited long enough, & now it's time to resolve the issue. Peace.

Seriously? I cannot believe you've not called the doctor. You don't get blood in your stool from nothing.

You need to take him to a specialist. b/c obviously your normal ped isn't getting the job done.
And when he gets older Don't give him Soy. The only people that should be eating soy are menopausal women because it has natural estrogen in it.

Well, I don't have any professional advice, but I'd highly suspect a fissure. I know you said that one couldn't be found visually, but I wouldn't rule it out completely. My daughter is 13 months old, and has had problems with constipation for a few months now. When we first took her in about it, she'd had blood in her stool, too. The pediatrician found a fissure up inside her rectum, and said that it would heal on its own. However, she is still having constipation (though it's getting better) and there is still blood in her stool. I think that the hardness of her poops keep the fissure from healing. And even though your son isn't having hard stools, the fact that he has them so often may be preventing a fissure from healing as well. Based on everything you've said in your original post, it doesn't sound like it's something serious. I'm wondering if putting some triple antibiotic ointment inside his rectum daily would help heal a fissure if one is in fact present?

Hi C.,

Here is a website :

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptoms/bloody-stool/cause...

This will give you the list of all the possible reasons. Do click on them and follow the links on each of them. This is going to be daunting for you, but you're not going to have much choice. The avg. doctor doesn't take medical issues seriously! Even so called experts don't really know that much. You are the one that is going to have to find out what he has. Blood in the stool is quite serious. Like chest pain, thiose with blood in the stool usually go to emergency.

One idea is do you give iron supps? Iron overdose can cause blood in stool.
On the other hand, consistent bleeding like that, where ever it is from, can cause anemia. So number one job of the doc is to take a complete blood count and also test iron and ferritin levels, also check for vit b12 anemia.
If it were me i'd also ask them to test hormones and do a vitamin panel.

I'm more inclined to think it's colitis, which is caused by adrenal disease. Intermittent or regular vomiting might be seen with this disorder. Also fatigue (sleeping alot or seeming tired all the time) this can even alternate with periods where there is insomnia, especially from 2-5 am. Vomiting alot like what you mention is not normal (my dd vomited twice in her first 2 years-that is more like normal vomiting).
I know modern docs give gerd meds, this is simply a cover up of symptoms so that they never seek the reason for the vomiting. GERD is at EPIDEMIC proportions. One reason is iron overdose-docs give way to much iron to kids/moms these days (especially since formulas and cereals are entrenched with it also.)
Another reason is adrenal disease, which affects the serotonin levels. Serotonin is responsible for vomiting. Other reasons for gerd is h pylori infection, a bacteria that causes ulcers. But even ulcers are caused by low stomach acid DUE TO ADRENAL MALFUNCTION, most specifically,the hormone aldosterone is low. Aldosterone is responsible for keeping stomach acid up so that no bacteria can get a foothold in the stomach. Going back to Iron again- iron supplements feed bacteria with the foo they need to increase replication, so iron supps help cause h pylori infection in those with adrenal insufficiency. Adrenal insufficiency is VERY COMMON BUT 98 % overlooked or misdiagnosed. Thyroid disease can also cause blood in the stool . But the thyroid is FED it's hormones by the adrenal gland. SO if someone has hypothyroidism, it is likely due to the malfuntioning adrenal gland. Once the adrenal is fixed, hypothyroidism corrects itself.
Email me with any questions.
Gail

I don't know what it could be, but doesn't sound like being vegan has anything to do with it at all. I'm vegan too and kids too. My first thought was allergy to soy, have you been absolutely consistent in keeping the allergen foods out of your diet? I have read before it takes 2-3 weeks to get the food out of your system for breastfeeding(not sure if that is true)
Still think you should call the doctor again, see what else they can do.

Is your son taking vitamins or fluoride drops?read somewhere about that

good luck

Can the pediatrician do a stool sample test and see if there are strange bacteria or some other cause that might be there? Good luck and sorry to hear about your little buddy's issues. Maybe polyps in his colon or anus though difficult to tell without invasive tests (like a scope).