At Wits End

Updated on November 17, 2008
D.B. asks from Lawrenceville, GA
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I would like to start off and say that I am neither overly strict nor am I a complete push over. However, my husband is definately the enforcer in our home. But lately nothing either of us say or do effects our 6 year old daughter. She used to be really good at helping out and cleaning her room, doing what she is told, understanding that when she gets grounded from something that she isn't to touch it. But lately that has all changed. Their are toys in the top of the closet that she is grounded from, which she now pulls down. About a week ago she got grounded from coloring (for jamming the ends of the pens in) and today she has my school highlighters hidden in her room. She has been overly whiney, not listening to me when I tell her its bed time, is doing horrible in school, to the point that I am thinking about holding her back, and its not that she doesn't understand the stuff its that she won't listen and would rather play and talk. I just cant' get through to her about anything, it has shot my stress level through the roof! If anyone could help with some ideas they did with their children I would really appreciate it. My stress is effecting my marriage and my 2 year old son. And now it is also starting to effect the amount of homework I can get done because I am so busy repeatedly telling her to do the same thing. Thanks ahead of time for any and all advice!

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V.W.

answers from Jacksonville on

Perhaps a reading of "1-2-3- Magic" might be in order.
They talk about stop behaviors (don't hit, don't jump on the sofa, whining, arguing, etc) and start behaviors (getting dressed, doing homework, etc). You sound like you may need a combination of both. I found, for my kids, that a lot of the "start behavior" problems went away, once the "stop behavior" counting went into effect. They learn that they have to listen and respond. Or there are consequences. And there is NO parental emotion involved whatsoever.
Aside from that, perhaps some of her school issues stem from being smart (gifted?)? If she feels confident that she already knows it all, she may not feel the need to listen and perform.
Just some thoughts.

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P.E.

answers from Panama City on

you need a behavior plan. any friends at school majoring in psycholgy? school councelor? MD any chnges in her life pet or friend move. I a retired USAF with and mother to a USAF capt. Is dadhome nightly or is he deployed Also 6yr olds should not be in a time out situation for more than 3mins pluse their age that's 11 minutes anf get a timer.

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A.M.

answers from Jacksonville on

You've already gotten great advice so far. I also think you need to plan more time with her one-on-one. Maybe talk to her about making a special day of the week to include a 2 hour "Mommy and Me" time and put it on your calendar as an appointment so she can see it. Take her to lunch or to the park or bowling or anything. She is a growing girl who needs some special time with her Mom and you sound like you have a lot on your plate.

See if she would be interested in starting an emotions book. Someplace she can go and draw pictures or write things in that are important to her. Talk to her about putting her emotions on paper (all emotions, happy to angry and all in between). Then before bedtime each night, ask her if she wants to share any of those emotions from the day with you. But don't force it. You may want to be the one to start by sharing something you've colored that shows how sad you are when you see your daughter acting up. This might open a dialog for you both.

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K.G.

answers from Miami on

Has anything changed in her life recently, like around the time all this started? It sounds like she is reacting to her own source of stress. Honestly, I would seek out a therapist that works with children and families....look under child psychologists in your insurance info if you have insurance. If not I can recommend a few people. My son has ADHD and we got him some help when he was 8....I'm not saying that is what your daughter has, but only telling you that the therapy helped ME learn best how to deal with HIM. They give you coaching as a parent which is very valuable, as well as allowing your daughter to work through her issues. And she doesn't need to stay in therapy forever! Just a few weeks to help you both through this issue. Actually if her grades are suffering, the school probably has someone they can recommend. Sometimes the person even comes to the school. Please do yourself and your daughter a favor and the whole family will benefit! And God bless your husband for his service to our country.

K. G.

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J.H.

answers from Pensacola on

D. B,
You may not like my response, but you have asked for it. I hope that you will not get up in arms as you read this, it is written totally with love.
You need to get yourself together. Reading your request,it sounds as though YOU are all over the place. YOU have created a chaos some how or another that is letting the chickens come home to roost. It sounds as though this child is missing some real one on one time that she once had and doesn't understand why it is no longer there. I think that you are making a mess of things because you are not prioritizing adequately enough so as to balance the acts. It sounds like you are letting things get out of control. Why are you putting items taken away where she can see them and be tempted. Your fault. Why are you grounding her from jamming pens in? You should be talking and explaining why this is not good. Wrong. Look at yourself, are you yelling alot? Then you just need to back off and access what is going on before it spills over into your marriage. Kids are very sensitive and pick up on things we know nothing about sometimes until it to late. I think that you need to slow down and make time to help her with her homework because she obviously needs help. Do this when she comes home, and then you will have time for hers. Nothing you will ever need or have to do will be more important than her needs at this young age. You have got to hold her hand and help her get through this before you raise a defiant teenager who obeys nobody's rules. Take care of home first, and then you will have plenty time to get your homework and time to spend focused on your husband. There are 24 hours in a day make them work for you and your daughter. You have got to give a little more hugs, rewards and quality time to her. She is seeing the grounding monster, and you need to find another way to make the punishment fit the crime, like, jamming pens, tell her that she has to use a pencil (which is monotone) for a week until she has gotten the message. When the week is up and you have not had problems with her using the pencil anywhere but on what she is working on , reward her for a lesson well learned and she will gain alot from the gentle effort put forth, over what she expects from you and is now acting out against. "Always being grounded."
I wish you the very best at this, You will get through it. And she and you will get through it together, put your superwoman vest on again. Never leave home without it.
My very best to you and your family.

Jen

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H..

answers from Orlando on

If she used to listen and things have changed, there is either some sort of problem you need to get to the bottom of --take her out one-on-one for ice cream and talk with her-- make sure you mostly LISTEN and let her talk about anything and everything that is bothering her-- there may be a bully at school or trouble with academics or something as simple as her missing time you used to spend with her before her brother or before you were in school. Holding a child back a grade will effect her for the rest of her life so don't take that lightly. If she is being lazy, why do you think holding her back a year will make her any less lazy? You need to work with her teacher on fixing her academic concerns. Lazy in her young grade is ridiculous and should not be accepted-- it will get worse as she gets older and she will truely fail in school if you let her get away with it now
--or--
everything is perfectly fine and she is at a stage where she is testing your limits. When my kids do this, my husband and I immediatly let them know what the limits are, period. I don't have perfect children, but they do know what is expected of them and what their consequences will be for misbehaving and they know most importantly that there will BE a consequence and that we'll follow through. Not doing homework, for example, is simply not an option-- never has been and never will be. My kids can't walk up to my face and slap me any more than they can just decide to not to listen to my rules. You said you aren't overly strict-- well it sounds like it's time that you become more strict.

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L.H.

answers from Miami on

make a meeting at school with the teacher & school guidance counselor-
discuss academics and also some parenting tips

get a responsibility 'system' - I have a 5 year old son and we use http://www.accountablekids.com/
not saying you need this particular one, but some sort of visual system w/ responsibilities, rewards, etc

get a therapist for family counseling w/ her also getting individual sessions- nip this in the bud- something might be going on that you don't know about...

good luck!

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J.P.

answers from Jacksonville on

I feel your pain! My kids go through times like these, also, when I think, "what am I doing wrong?" One thing that has often helped us is to spend a little extra time with the child who is acting out. This is counter-intuitive because it could seem like rewarding bad behavior, but if you can set it up at a time when she is not misbehaving, then she won't see it as a reward for bad behavior. The reason I think this works is that often our kids need extra attention but don't know how to get it, so they start acting out as a response to stresses in their life that they don't have the understanding or the words to explain to us. If you and your husband are both juggling a lot at this time in your life, with a 2 year old in the house as well, I imagine your daughter could just be exhibiting some stress symptoms that might clear up with a little one-on-one time. Maybe daddy could take her out for breakfast before school one morning? Maybe a neighbor could keep the 2 yr. old for a couple of hours while you pick up your daughter from school and go play at the park together, just the two of you. It usually works for our kids, irons out the kinks, restores the bond that is strained by all the discipline, and gets us back on track. And keep in mind -- there's always time to go back to school, but your kids are only little once. Good luck! And most of all, hang in there!

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R.M.

answers from Daytona Beach on

D.,
I've read and I highly recomend the book "Creative Correction". It is full of wonderful ideas to get your kids to obey. I love and I use the ideas often!
God Bless,
R.

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L.C.

answers from Boca Raton on

IT sounds like your plat is pretty full. Two year olds can be very demanding on top of being a fulltime student. It's possible that your daughter is acting out for attention. Try spending 15 minutes a day just the two of you.

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A.G.

answers from Mayaguez on

And it is still first grade! Is your husband in active duty? Perhaps she is trying to see who's the boss around the place. Is there a school counselor? Talk to her teacher. Teachers have sooooo many resources. Maybe she understands the whole school stuff and is plain bored! Don't ground her for silly, uninportant things, that way she'll understand better that you mean business. You are young and have definitely a full plate. Good luck!

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T.S.

answers from Panama City on

D.,

How much one on one time is your daughter getting from you and your husband?
The first thing I would look at is that when children act out in these ways, they are usually trying to get your attention and trying to get you to notice them, even if they have to do it in a negative way.
When my children begin to display consistent negative behavior, I know it is time to regroup and to sit down with them and spend time giving them focused time listening and playing on their level. I will take them out for a ride, go for a walk, or just sit on the back porch together. The key is that it's only the two of you, no one else. You give them this time for several weeks, for a specific period of time during the day, and you may see a drastic change. All of the sudden, they don't feel like they have to beg you to notice them and they are content, because their "love tank" is full.
Try it. You first, then your husband, and see if her behavior doesn't change. She will begin to want to please you instead of crying out for your attention with negative things.
There are other issues that could be going on as well, such as another child at school picking on them or the teacher embarrassing them or something else. I would really engage in conversation with her and ask open questions like, how am I doing as a Mommy? How about Daddy? How do you like your teacher? Tell me more about that...etc...

Take Care,
T.
Mom of 4
Wife of 1
Child of God

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M.F.

answers from Tallahassee on

Hi D., sounds like she is just moving into the next stage of life - they never stop challenging us - pushing those boundaries. There may also be something going on with her at school. I have 3 children, 9,10.5,11 and the youngest two have ADD and ADHD so I am constantly dealing with new challenges. Just be consistant with her punishments. Find out what she dislikes the most. For my Daughter, if took away her paper and pencils and told her no drawing - she would definitely take notice of me! She LOVES to draw.

God bless

M. F

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E.L.

answers from Tallahassee on

Hey, D.~ a few things popped into my head when I read your post. 1-maybe she's reaching a new stage in her life and needs a more vigorous activity in which to channel her energy. Not sure if she does after school activities, but that might help her control some of that energy that is turning negative. Also, do you think she's acting out to get attention because the 2 yr old has most of it? Maybe some "girl time" with the 2 of you doing a weekly activity would help. The other thing is related to school. Do you think something might be going on with someone in her class or her teacher being mean to her? It sounds like she's got this aggresion trapped inside her with no clue how to get it out. She might need to talk to someone and if she can't talk to you, maybe a cousin, aunt, grandmother or 3rd party.

You better hide those Christmas presents at someone else's house cause it sounds like me when I was her age and I was into EVERYTHING!!! (I was just bored and needed as playmate my age)

Good luck,
E.

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V.

answers from Melbourne on

It sounds like things have gotten overly stressful at home, and possibly a bit boring for your daughter st school. Sherry Z is right about the negative impact parent stresses have on the children who pick up on it. There are probably a few things that can be helped once you know what to do, but there could be underlying issues that may need more attention. Just do a lot of observing what is going on so you can pick up on it if there are some issues that may need further assistance. You could write them in a journal which can help identify what may be going on, along with any impact it's having on those involved. Which could be helpful in the future. Also take some time for a few real good one on one talks with your daughter about anything that may be bothering her or anything she enjoys. It would be a very good thing to spend some quality time with her alone each day, even if for just a few minutes.

I have a daughter who is also 6, and has trouble in school because she get's distracted, doesn't pay attention, and wants to play. She is very smart and should do very well. The biggest problem she has we identified last year. She has done well with almost everything expected until Kindergarten when she had to start writing regularly. Her writing was and is very sloppy, hard to read, and doesn't go along with many of the usual handwriting rules. This may not be an issue for your daughter, but see if there is anything she's not doing so well with. With my daughter I started out trying to push her to improve, and practice with my help each day. That just increased her frustrations and mine. Her handwriting did get slightly better before the year ended, but she did far less of it because she doesn't like that she's not good at it. Anyway, toward the end of the year I talked to a friend who works in OT at another school. She suggested some ways that may ease the process, make it more fun, and help strengthen her ability to write. She also suggested that maybe I should try to pull back a bit, and not push so much, maybe it would come along. I had been thinking that myself. Haley is good at so many things but is very sensitive, and the negative attention was getting her more discouraged, to the point that she didn't want to bother. I have pulled back and been more reassuring and her writing has gotten much better.

The attention problem and wanting to play is still an issue, but I think that is normal to an extent. Once they reach 1st grade they are still expected to work on some of the same things as in Kindergarten but they have to get much better at it, they have to do far more, and they have to start working on more complex things like using money, adding and subtracting multiple digits, writing correctly, and using fractions. This may be overwhelming if some of it is difficult, but it may also be boring if some of it is being repeated over and over for practice, or if it is being worked on for long periods of time. Some kids need the extra time and practice, but some kids may do better advancing on to things that are a bit more challenging and a bit more interesting.

I am thinking that a little more structure with discipline and keeping things she isn't supposed to have away from her vision and her room, should help out. The stress that is throughout your home is going to be picked up buy the children, and is probably a big reason for some of the disobedience from your child. Yes, her problems are feeding your stress, but your stress is feeding her problems and everyone's stress. It's just creating a viscous and expanding cycle of stress, and negativity. You may want to consider making a list of your expectations along with a list of possible consequences for not meeting those expectations.(Try to keep it short, include your husband in the process, and choose your battles.) Then try to match up consequences with the expectations they seem to go well with. Pick out one consequence for each disobeyed or disrespected expectation that seems to fit well. You may want to get input from the whole family when you are deciding on possible consequences. Try to make sure it doesn't put too much concentration on negatives, actually you may want to put in some positive consequences for meeting expectations and doing good things. Once you have established a reasonable set of expectations and consequences, explain it to the family and follow it. Leave the stress and anger at the door and just follow your expectations every time. You could even post a big copy of these expectations at the front door, and have pictures next to them to represent each one. It can serve as a reminder to everyone. It can also help inform others of your expectations.

With her home work, set up a time each day when someone can sit with her if she needs encouragement or help. She may need a little time to unwind when she gets home so you could allow a play or relax time at that point. Keep the homework fairly short, and not too late or she will get too tired to do decent work. You may want to provide a five or ten minute break, just don't do it often or the work won't get done. Try offering incentives for work that is done well (at school and at home), it doesn't need to be junk, and it doesn't need to be expensive, but it should be positive and should offer some encouragement. It just sounds like things have gotten so negative that it may be outwaying the positives, and dragging your daughter down. Just remember that while encouragement, challenge and attention can be a powerful thing, discouragement and negative attention can be a very powerful thing as well.

Take another look at the post early on from Jen. It may have sounded kind of harsh, but she made several very good points. We all have tough times in our lives and some times we need to take a step back, take some deep breaths, and retool a few things that maybe are increasing stress and chaos. That can sometimes help improve things for all involved.

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J.G.

answers from Orlando on

I have to say that I agree that you need to sit and talk with her. Hopefully she will open up to you. A friend of mine has the same issues with her daughter wanting to socialize at school at not get her work done. Also with the whining all the time. Her daughter is very insecure and worries about what all the kids at school think about her and being accepted. My girlfriend had to lay out the specific rules for her and what the consequences would be so that she cannot act surprised and over-react punishment. Maybe find something for her to get involved in that makes her feel special so she knows she is accepted.
Best of luck and build her confidence!

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A.W.

answers from Jacksonville on

Get a babysitter for the 2 year old and go on a girls day or night out. It just takes a couple of hours a week at the most. Make it a half hour nail-painting time. But make it and make it a certain day every week. She needs her mommy's time. She will have something to look forward to. Please work together to find the time. Please don't set a time and then cancel out because you need to do something else.

Can you cut back on school or stop going to school until your husband is out of the AF? Don't let your kids miss both their parents. Your kids need you more than stuff and they don't understand the sacrifices you or your husband are making by being away serving our country or being a student.

God Bless you and your family for the sacrifices you do make. Fill the time your husband is away being the best Mom you can be to your children.

Love,
A.

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B.H.

answers from Los Angeles on

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S.Z.

answers from Miami on

Hi D.,
Would you consider your house child-centered or parent-centered? Children's behavior is greatly affected by how parents treat each other. When my son sees my husband and me getting along, his behavior is good. When there is tension in the house, behavior dwindles (even if we don't openly fight in front of the kids).
I recommend the book "Childwise" by Ezzo and Bucknam. One of the first chapters deals with happy parents=happy (ie compliant) children.
God Bless,
S.

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L.A.

answers from Melbourne on

take the toys out of her closet and put them in ur room or garage, put her in the room with nothing no tv no toys nothing tell her to lay on her bed and think why she should not do whatever she was corrected from. 6 yrs old she is old enough and make her be accountable. if she wont keep her room clean really get rid of the items she wont keep tidy. I promise u she will get the picture either she cleans it up or momy and daddy are gonna throw it away, or give it away to someone who will earn the right to have it. trust me 6 kids and it works and it may take a couple of times but i promise you consistency pays off in the long run ....

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M.D.

answers from Panama City on

Hi D.. Girls are definatly stessfull. My daughter is now 11 and since she was about 7 its been pretty difficult. Most of the time I am a broken record. No doubt about it. There have been times where I have taken everything out of her room except her bed and books. That's all that was allowed. It sounds also that she's really frustrated about something. Try and talk to her.....see if something may have happened that has gotten her this worked up. Sometimes starting school can bring many different behaviors, because she see many other behaviors by other children. Most important, pray for her. Let God do His work in her. I wish I could say its gets better....and I pray it does for you.
Good luck.
M.

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K.L.

answers from Jacksonville on

Hi D.,
I know this is going to sound counter-intuitive to what makes the most sense, but most of the discipline experts I've read or watched say that repeated threats, getting upset and yelling is truly ineffective. The child knows exactly how far to push you through all those "warnings" and repetition until they know you finally mean business for real and will enforce the penalty. The way to make it easy on yourself (and to get almost immediate action from her) is to "lower the boom" the FIRST time she does it, not the 2nd, 3rd or 10th. It won't take long before she understands that, even though you remain calm and do the disciplining in an even tone of voice, you mean to carry through what you say! Even Super-Nanny says to only give 1 warning and then immediately discipline. I recommend reading John Rosemond (who does not believe in corporal punishment like spanking but disciplines as a benevolent dictator the first time every time) and also read Dobson's "The New Strong Willed Child" if nothing else will work. My daughter is younger, almost 3, but she tests me often and definitely has a mind of her own. I am pretty strict, but have also decided to nip her in the bud, so that struggles will not escalate the older she gets. Dobson says this is often the case when you don't get the upper hand on strong-willed kids early. Adolescence can be a nightmare also and she's only 6 so far, right?

Good luck, write more if you want to and find the thing she loves most (a certain show, a lovey, a book, etc.) and use THAT, the currency that really matters to her. If she doesn't respond, you aren't using the right thing to remove, I've read that a lot too!

Try to keep calm and just make a plan that includes your husband, so she knows you're also going to give her the penalty. Perhaps since he does most of the discipline, she just doesn't think you're serious until he gets involved.

God bless!
K.

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