J.P. asks from Meridian, ID on December 30, 2010
Am I Being a Jerk?
Sorry for the length.
Let me preface this by saying that I am a total animal person. I have always had a pet my entire life, and last year I lost my 14.5 year old cat. She had been the first that was ALL mine, and she truly was mine, even though she warmed up to my husband towards the end.
My husband brought his dog into our relationship, and she was his through and through. She was okay with me, would obey me, but we just never bonded the same. He had her for a total of 10 years, and we've been together 7 of those years. After losing my cat, we knew that Tally would be next. She was 13, had a bunch of tumors, including one in the muscle of a back leg that atrophied the muscle. She had some bad days in Oct/Nov, and we weren't sure that she was going to make it through each month. She made it till last week, and stopped eating (this is a dog that usually doesn't stop until she hits the bowl), and woke up hurting so much on Christmas. We had talked about not waiting too long and making the dog suffer. We also knew that the weather was causing some of her discomfort. Really, we waited because my husband needed to accept it and make the decision. We put her down on Monday afternoon. I worked from home so that she wasn't alone and then my husband took most of the day off too.
We went to work on Tuesday. I was really distracted and sad, but my husband left work about 1, saying that he didn't feel well. He had spend most of his day sending out emails telling family and friends about the dog, and writing a two page obituary. He went to bed before either child was down, and didn't go to work yesterday except to get his laptop. Yesterday he was pretty much a shell of himself around the kids, my son cried when we left for daycare (not usual), and he seemed to act out a bit more. My husband went to sleep right after the kids went down, while I stayed up and took care of everything else that had to be done.
I had told him that I didn't think he was sick, that he had depression. He said, of course he was depressed.
This morning, he again didn't go into work, and my son was screaming for him and acting out as we left for daycare. I told my husband that his depression is doing this to our son. He asked if I was trying to make him feel worse. I said no, but you need to realize that your actions aren't just affecting you, but everyone around you, and that you need to do something.
This is 3 days now. I don't remember mourning this extreme when my cat died last year, when my great uncle and my aunt died within a week of each other earlier this year, or when many other pets or family members passed.
I even told him that on Tuesday I had been feeling bad for myself until I found out that a coworker, who had been expecting his very first granddaughter, lost her after two days. He had a similar story of a car accident fatality, and said how lucky we are. Yes, I am sad, but I just want to scream at him - Snap out of it! It was a dog! - I miss my husband, I miss the father of my children!
I had PPD after my daughter was born, so I know how depression feels. I knew that it was affecting my family and I did what I had to do to get through it. I know that there is normal depression and then the kind that needs help. I just don't know what is normal for the grieving process of a pet. Like I said, I love animals, but this seems a bit extreme to me. If it was just the two of us, I might deal with this better, but being a single parent of two kids while he wanders around aimlessly and I have to answer my son's questions about what's wrong with daddy is too much.
Also, he has said that he doesn't want another pet until a couple years down the road. We both had the pet that was our baby, even when we married, but they had to take a backseat to the kids. He doesn't want another dog until he can devote that same pre-kid time to it (seems to me that that won't happen till the kids move out). I haven't been able to communicate to him, that the pet relationship is different now that we have kids, and that the kids can help give some of that love and attention to the dog.
Update and responses: I added the thing about the "new" dog, just because that is usually the answer you get when you lose a pet - get another one. I know that that is not the answer and that he needs to come around to it on his own. We planned to wait at least 6 months when we lost my cat. The house was so empty, we only waited two weeks.
Please don't think I would ever yell at my husband to snap out of it...it is just what I WANT to do. I have talked to him about the dog, about his sadness, but most of the time I am with him, he is sleeping or I am juggling the two kids. I am also sad but getting through the day. I'm not complaining (to him), but picking up the slack, and am fine with saying, screw the housework, but I don't think it is fair to a 2.5 year old. I tell him daddy is sad (the whole explanation), he gives dad a hug and then wants to play with him, not sit and mope. I think it would be easier if he was on a trip and then my son wouldn't have to understand why dad is sitting right there ignoring him.
I'm not that concerned about work. I think he has some sick time, it is more what that represents (not functioning), than the fact that he isn't going to work.
I think that the comment about men handling this differently is right on. I posted about a "man cold" a while ago, and I am feeling something similar here. I'm not saying that he has to bounce back immediately, and can't be sad for a long time to come, but I do think that he needs to be able to function, and yes, to some degree, suck it up....just like I am having to do. Thank you to those that gave me an "estimate" on how much longer to let him go on like this.
And like I posted above, I understand that there is a difference between normal depression, and then when help is needed. I'm not saying that he needs to be medicated or go to a doctor yet. I am trying to understand when that point is. When I got help, I was told that there is the normal, acceptable depression for various events, and then there is the disproportionate depression. I am trying to find that line.
I just reread my post and see where the depression comment is a bit out of context. My husband was claiming that he was coming down with something, and thought he was sick. I was trying to help him realize that I didn't think he was sick, that it was the physical manifestation of his grief.
So What Happened?™
I know that not everyone was going to see it my way, and I did ask the question, so I'm not trying to take the "Yes"es personally. :) I would like to say that I have NOT asked my husband to get a new dog. For the last 4 years we have known what breed of dog our "next" would be. I wanted to get it before this one passed (like in the last few years, not immediately before), he didn't. Also, my son DOES know that the dog died, he has said goodbye, and tells us that he is sad and misses her too....."Are you happy now?" (I love 2.5!)
No, I am not a single parent, but when I travel for work (next week), he is, and I need to know that he will be able to take care of the children. I was not trivializing being a single parent, but was trying to relate it to being lonely in a room full of people.
I think that I am feeling some resentment too. Last week, I was really sick. My daughter also got sick (with something else) on Wednesday. I still took the kids to daycare in the morning and picked them up in the afternoon, took care of them in the evening, and took care of my daughter when she had to stay home sick. My husband got to go about his day as if nothing has changed. I love taking care of my kids and have no problem with that, but it makes me so much longer to get healthy when I am doing everything all day, and the baby stops sleeping through the night too.
Maybe I'm just frustrated that I haven't had my own time to grieve. Whatever my own issues are, the main take away I got from all you lovely mamas is that I need to work on my patience. And that is never bad advice.
Thank you.
THE REAL WHAT HAPPENED!
Okay, well, I don't know if it was the comment I made, or if he was just ready, but he seemed to pull himself out of it that day to a place where we could at least talk, and he could function. We are still grieving, and continue to laugh and cry about various things, but being able to get a word in edge-wise, and let him know that I understand what he is going through was helpful. We also realized that while he lost a grandpa at 12, he has all 3 of this other grandparents alive, and this is only his 3rd dog, while I have lost 3 of my grandparents, 8 pets, and various other loved ones. I think I have a bit more practice (plus the whole guy/girl thing :) ).
I appreciate all the comments that everyone left, and the stories that you shared, they really helped.
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B. answers from Augusta on December 30, 2010
I lost my 8 yr old sheltie in september and I cried hard for a week and I still get sad and miss him badly at night.
a dog is never just a dog.
I think you need to sit down with him and gently tell him that he's being distant and that you can help him better cope with it if he was less distant to you and the kids.
sorry but he will never just get over it. it will take time and it's only been 3 days give him a break.
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M.M. answers from Washington DC on December 30, 2010
We had a black lab that died while hubby was deployed. For three days I wasn't able to tell him. His grief didn't really hit until after he got home and there was no Brutus to snuggle up with. Yes he loves us and cherished the children but Brutus was his dog before we got married and was his first companion. He was 12.
He still did his daily duties, went to work, we made love, he bathed the children,. But there was a sadness for a while, maybe a couple weeks or so.
My hubby still can't let a black lab go by him without petting it.
Let hubby grieve. GIve him time. It's only been 3 days. Next week you can be hard on him.
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R.J. answers from Salt Lake City on December 30, 2010
Ah see I just read this THEN read the what happened, First thinking maybe a jerk then understanding, No you are not being a jerk you are frustrated you have to leave town you husband is unresponsive TOTally understand now. He needs to snap out of it
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D.P. answers from Pittsburgh on December 30, 2010
I think 3 days after the death of a pet is too soon to call it "depression." Yes, he is upset, misses the dog and is sad.
One thing I've noticed is that men are not as good at "sucking it up" and continuing to "march along" as women are.
Men are not good at multi-tasking--even with their emotions.
Right now he is "being sad" and while I do agree that missing work for more than one day is a bit extreme, hopefully he will float to the surface and bounce back to normal in another week or so.
Personally, I'd let him take the lead as far as timing for another pet. A new one never "replaces" the old one but it IS a great distraction! When is his birthday? ...........doggie gift?
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I.*. answers from Columbus on December 30, 2010
Yes, I think you're being a jerk. I think it was pretty crappy of you to share a story with your husband of someone losing a grandchild, It was telling him that he doesn't have a right to be upset so get over it. You can't compare your husband being upset and withdrawn from the family for three days to you being a single parent. Obviously you've never been a single parent. Your husband is grieving, not depressed. My husband has battled depression his whole life. When he starts to get depressed, he lays in bed a lot and reads. I am there for him completely and always check on him to see how he's doing and if he needs anything. Me being supportive and loving is what helps him get through it. It might be a little hard on me for a couple days not having my husband help out with our three kids (and I'm pregnant) but when he hurts, I hurt. I want him to deal with his emotions the way he needs to, not my way.
And I don't know why you can explain to your son that Daddy is sad b/c the dog died. There's a life lesson for your son right there. I'm sure your husband will want a new pet sooner than he's thinking now. Of course he is going to think 72 hours after losing his dog that he won't want a new one for a long time.
I'm not meaning to sound harsh here. It just sounds to me that you have a great husband and you aren't being supportive of him. Some husbands don't help out with the kids at all so if Dad is away for a couple days, it would just be another day to the kids, they wouldn't even notice. Now please go give your husband a hug!! :)
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P.W. answers from San Francisco on December 30, 2010
Yes, you're being a jerk -- it's only been two days, not two months.
For the first three days after the death of my beloved bird this year I was bereft, and it took a good month till I could even bear to visit the aviary. For the first two days I cried uncontrollably. And I am NOT a depressive-type person. Ten months later, I still mourn her. And I didn't feel that bad when we lost our dog a few years ago. My husband was a bit of a jerk about it because he thought the same way you do. It wasn't "depression," it was normal grief for a big loss.
You need to give him more time. Everyone grieves differently. Tell your hubby you're sorry and comfort him. Tell your son daddy is sad because Fido died. That's the explanation. And you are looking to replace the dog too soon. Wait a month. Sorry, but you are really being inconsiderate.
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A.C. answers from Cincinnati on December 30, 2010
My husband is like this with animals, too. He mourned his fish dying, for crying out loud. When his dog died, he was bereft. I don't know if it's a man thing, or what.
But I do think you need to cut your husband a break. It's only been a few days, not a few weeks, and you're already talking about getting another pet? It's way too soon! Talk to him seriously about his grief, instead of with the eye-rolling and blame, and if this continues, offer to help him get some grief counseling. Grieving is about the survivors, not the deceased, and remembering this may help you be more understanding. And please don't bring up getting another pet right now. Your husband is in mourning. He may change his mind next year about when he wants another dog, but right now, the thought of it is painful for him.
Hopefully, he will pull himself out of this on his own in a little while. If he doesn't, ask him to get some therapy to help him cope with his loss. Do not make yourself the bad guy, though, because grief is a more difficult emotion to handle than anger, and you don't want him to convert his to anger and then direct that anger at you. Give him a little longer to get himself together. Good luck.
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B. answers from Augusta on December 30, 2010
I lost my 8 yr old sheltie in september and I cried hard for a week and I still get sad and miss him badly at night.
a dog is never just a dog.
I think you need to sit down with him and gently tell him that he's being distant and that you can help him better cope with it if he was less distant to you and the kids.
sorry but he will never just get over it. it will take time and it's only been 3 days give him a break.
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L.A. answers from Austin on December 30, 2010
So your husband was with his dog longer than you?
Yes, you are being a little heartless. I understand completely what you are saying, but you are forgetting, each one of us is different from another. Your husband may be a butch manly man, but in his heart, his dog was his first baby. There are lots of memories that the dog represented and that part of his life is now gone forever. He is mourning the loss of his very best friend that has been with him longer than even you have been with him.
Explain to your children that their daddy is very, very sad, because puppy is now gone. they need to be soft and gentle, because dads heart is hurting. NO OTHER pet can just take the place of his dog. Give him time. He will get there.
This is not a rejection of you or the children, it is a mourning for his beloved friend.
He sounds a lot like my husband. He is so terrified that our cat is going to die, she is now 14 years old and when our daughter is up at college he uses the cat as his substitute for our daughter.. Drives me nuts, but that is the way he is.. My husband always says a silent prayer when he sees a dead animal on the road. He just has great empathy for them.
If this continues for more than a week, he needs to see his doctor, just to have a quick check up and the doc can document this episode..
I am sending you patience.
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R.J. answers from Seattle on December 30, 2010
I think you're mistaking ordinary grief for depression... and it's scaring you because of your experience with PPD.
In my experience debilitating grief usually only lasts a few days, and then can severely impact a person for a couple weeks to several years. The loss of a child, for example, one could expect months to years of normal grief. The loss of a beloved pet, a few weeks of severely impacting grief is *totally* in the normal range.
Many people feel free to grieve over pets in a way that they do not feel free to grieve for people. Happens to soldiers all the time. They get "used" to losing people... but the family dog dies and they fall to pieces.
Give him some time. If, after about 2 weeks he's not coming out of it, take him to the doctor. But kindness kills grief far faster than condemnation.
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J.D. answers from Dallas on December 30, 2010
Yes, it is a dog, but it was his longest relationship, even longer than you. Don't nag him. Yes, he needs to go back to work and get back into his normal routine. It will serve him better than sitting around thinking about it all the time. I mourned my dog for a long time. Of course, I did get another dog the next month and it did help me get through the memories and make new ones. Guys are different about new... They seem to think it's 'replacing' a friend. So don't try to force a dog on him. He will come around to the idea on his own.
What you can do for now is try to take up the slack this week and not complain. Be a good partner and support him. Try to get him back to work. He doesn't need to lose his job over this. If he is saying he's sick and he has missed a few days of work, tell him you will set up a doctor's appt for him. That normally gets them to go back to work if they aren't really sick.
Good luck with this... Everyone mourns differently.
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