S.W. asks from Villa Ridge, MO on August 04, 2009
Allowance - Villa Ridge, MO
So, my husband and I are taking this wonderful class at our church called Parenting on Purpose and we have learned a lot of great stuff and gotten great ideas. One of the ideas in on allowance to help teach kids how to save, importance of tithing and just how to handle money. Our proplem is that we don't want the allowance tied to chores, they do chores because they live in our house and we feed them. This is also in the class and we fully agree and is why we haven't done an allowance before. I don't want to pay them for doing things like make their beds and take out the trash. We all have to do our part to keep our house in order.
My question is, how on earth do we give an allowance and have it mean something without having it tied to chores? I've have it suggested that we tell them that because they go to school and work hard at school that they will get an allowance (we're only talking about $2 a week). Will they buy the "you go to school/camp and that is like your job. Then I feel like - great now were paying them to go to school. We're almost ready to give up, but we think it's important for them to learn about money and the value of money and the things they want to buy. Something so simple should not be this hard!!
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L.R. answers from Kansas City on August 04, 2009
What about rewarding them every week with how their behavior is and whether they have accomplished their tasks (whatever they may be and that you set out for them)by the end of the week? How about rewarding them when grade cards come out and for all the hardwork they have done (kinda like a bonus at a job)? I understand the chore thing and that you don't want to tie that in with the allowance as that is a part of daily living in a house.....however, children don't always understand that concept and little something extra for doing those tasks without being asked repeatedly could go a long way. Hope that helps. Let me know how it goes.
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A.A. answers from St. Louis on August 05, 2009
I'd say make a list of the everyday things they should do (that they don't get paid for) then have a list of jobs that are above and beyond the chores that they would get paid for with a set amount for each. That way they know they still have to do things to help out around the house, but they also have the choice to earn money.
K.W. answers from Kansas City on August 05, 2009
How about, instead of tying it to school, since they have to do that just as they have to do chores, telling them that you're giving them an allowance because you want them to learn about money and financial responsibility? I find that the truth is always easiest and best.
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L.R. answers from Kansas City on August 04, 2009
What about rewarding them every week with how their behavior is and whether they have accomplished their tasks (whatever they may be and that you set out for them)by the end of the week? How about rewarding them when grade cards come out and for all the hardwork they have done (kinda like a bonus at a job)? I understand the chore thing and that you don't want to tie that in with the allowance as that is a part of daily living in a house.....however, children don't always understand that concept and little something extra for doing those tasks without being asked repeatedly could go a long way. Hope that helps. Let me know how it goes.
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A.S. answers from St. Louis on August 05, 2009
We don't give our son any allowance, but he is allowed to do extra chores for a set amount of money if he chooses to, and he has his regular chores that he does for no money, of course. We feel that it shows him he needs to work harder to get what he wants. He gets money for birthday and holidays from relatives, and he's good about putting it into his piggy bank for things he really wants, too. Be careful that paying your kids an allowance for going to school then ties it into school-- shouldn't good grades be a reward in themselves? If they do poorly in school for whatever reason, do you revoke it? We decided on our extra chores for cash method b/c my husband's mother gave him a substantial allowance for just being himself when he was growing up, and during our lean first-married years he fully expected to have spending cash in his wallet at all times. It took a long time and some serious financial realities for him to realize that you don't get money just for doing what you always do. We didn't want to set our son up for that frustrating lesson somewhere down the line. Good luck in your decision-- that's a tough one.
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L.B. answers from Kansas City on August 05, 2009
what about paying them for doing good in school then instead of chores. my 12 yr old has chores to do to earn her allowence, for every chore that she doesn't do she gets docked a quarter and she doesn't like reminders to do her chores. you could apply the same concept to your kids if they are bringing home good grades. also she has to save 10% of her allowence which goes into her college funds. we feel that this teached her
1. the value of money (she can do whatever she likes with her spending portion and she really watches what she buys or saves for something big or to have extra on trips)
2. the importance of saving (10% to her college fund, we contribute to it also ea month)
3. you have to earn or money and don't get paid if you don't do your job (just like the real world)
hope this helps and gives you some ideas
L.
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K.O. answers from Wichita on August 05, 2009
Good Morning! We too struggled with this issue ( I received an allowance as a child and could use the money as I wished; my husband never did and had to ask for money even to go out on dates in high school-his parents made all of the decisions about spending money); however, my husband and I have come up with a plan that seems to work fairly well. Our four boys get paid "circles" for any jobs that they do for us to help with the upkeep of the house and the yard. The circles are magnetic and stick to their magnetic chore charts. The jobs vary daily so each boy gets to experience all of the tasks it takes to keep a house/yard up and running. My husband and I use our own discretion for how many circles to give for each job (one for setting the table, four for mowing, etc.). Sometimes, we even give out bonus circles for extra tough jobs, as bonuses for winning fun challenges, etc. Then, about once a month, I count the circles and multiply it by five cents. Allowance--Voila! (If one of the boys does not complete a chore when asked, they do not receive the circles for that task). It doesn't cost us a fortune and the boys get some of their own money to learn to spend, save, etc. with.
We do not buy them anything except the essentials (clothes, food, etc.) and they pay for the rest (toys, snacks at sports outings, money toward tickets at the fair, etc.). If they do not have the money for the "extras" they learn to save it for the next time! Our boys have become good "savers" and good "spenders" over time.
We also take them to the store periodically and let them choose their own purchases (toys, candy, whatever they want) and let them use their own money to pay. This gives them experience in choosing whether to spend their money, spending their money and learning if it was worth it (did the product last long?), and learning to save ("I don't have the money for that; I need to save ten more dollars").
The boys recently went together and bought a Nintendo DS. One boy was short his portion and the other boys wanted to pay for him. I said "No, he needs to pay his share too." In order to teach the lesson on debt and payments, I took the other boys' money and we went to the store and I paid for the one who did not have enough money. He then is "in debt" to me and has to pay on a payment plan (a little each time he gets his allowance). On his own, he decided to take his fair money and make a "big payment" of over $20! He has $13 to go and it has been a great learning experience for him! He still does not really like any type of work, however, he has learned that it is not fun to be in debt and it IS hard work to earn money to get out of debt.
I realize that this is a long winded answer to your question and it does "pay" for chores; however, the payment is small allowing the boys to have money, but not enough that they can constantly buy big items without saving for them. We choose not to pay for school or grades (we usually take a family dinner out to celebrate their hard work each grading period) because not everyone is an "A" student and school is a requirement in life. We emphasize doing their very best.
Tell your kiddos that it IS a privelege to live in your house just like it is a "privelege" to have a job. If adults do not perform well at their jobs, they do not get paid and may even be fired. Of course, at this point the kiddos may say "just fire me." Say "okay" and do the work for a period of time, but take away all of the "perks" of living at home. For instance, we have one son who HATES to work and loves it when his brothers pick up the slack for him so what we did (it took less than two weeks to "cure him"; he still does not enjoy work --but let's be honest who does? however, now he does it willingly because the alternative was no fun). We stopped giving him circles and only provided him with the basics (clean clothes, a bed with sufficient sheets/blankets, food to eat), but NO extras. He had to "pay us" for the privelege to watch TV, play Nintendo DS, eat snacks or desserts(treats-we did not limit fruit or nutritious snack items), drink anything except water or white milk (he loves chocolate), or go to the park, pool, etc. The payment was in form of circles so soon he was running low on circles and his "allowance" took a nosedive! Soon, he began asking how he could earn money so we had him plan a lemonade stand, thought up extra jobs for him to do (challenging work too!), and allowed him to begin to earn money, circles, again. His work ethic has increased!
I know that you do not like the idea of tying allowance to household tasks, but it may help to think of it this way. Allowance contains the word allow. As parents, we "allow" our children the privelege to live at home. If the child feels that we should "allow" him/her to earn money, then he/she needs to be "allowed" tasks to do. If we allow them the task, and it is not done correctly, then we do not "allow" them to be paid. We simply "allow" them to do the task for free. We control what is allowed and not allowed. Kids are smart and will usually improve to get what they feel they are "allowed."
Good luck and once again sorry for the windy response! I hope it helps. Have a great day!\
J.A. answers from Wichita on August 05, 2009
I don't really have any new advice, but I sure am proud how so many of you are teaching your children about money and spending. Keep up the good work you all, you won't be sorry. Plus it teaches them great working skills for later in life.
I work in a laundry and you would be amazed at how many young girls come to work here and don't know how to fold clothes or even hang clothes on the hangers correctly. It important to teach your children to be proud of the job they do, and doing it correctly.
B.C. answers from Joplin on August 04, 2009
S., I understand teaching children the importance of money, I personally have never done the allowance thing myself. I have seen a really cute piggy bank that is divided money to spend, money to save, money to donate.
I respect your not wanting to pay for chores or as a reward for doing things that are already expected of them. I liked the other advice you have received, another idea might be offering additional optional chores to earn money? It is a tricky road to navigate. I hope you find something that works for you = )
B.
K.W. answers from Kansas City on August 05, 2009
How about, instead of tying it to school, since they have to do that just as they have to do chores, telling them that you're giving them an allowance because you want them to learn about money and financial responsibility? I find that the truth is always easiest and best.
T.G. answers from Kansas City on August 05, 2009
I pay my children for chores that are not normally theirs. If my son mows the lawn, that is outside of his normal chores, or my daughters might help me with dinner or offer to water my plants. They seem to like it and they can be very helpful when they are saving for something. :)
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