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8 Month Old Very Clingy and Still Wakes Every 1-2 Hours All Night Every Night!

*** New info first!***

I posted the following request just about 36 hours ago and already I have had so many replies. You are all wonderful.

I had so many different perspectives to read and I think that is really helpful. One thing that many of you differed on was the idea of letting her cry herself to sleep. I am really struggling with this idea, because it goes against everything I believe in. My husband thinks we should do this, but his opinion is based on the fact that I get NO breaks at all, and he knows I need the sleep.

He has said that he would do some of the night feedings if I pump, but my daughter refuses the bottle entirely.

He is a loving father, and is slowly finding ways to interact with her now that she can move around on her own and play all the time, but when I ask her to watch her while I shower, I come out to her screaming for me. There is no time when I am guilt free and able to eat, go to the bathroom, shower. No one else can step in for even 5 minutes!

As for the two jobs I do, they are both child related and so she gets a ton of interaction and play time. I made this a priority so I could make money and still be a full time mommy. So I guess I choose to be her everything, and I should just suck it up. Its really hard though, because I am running on empty and it doesn't seem like I can have even an hour for myself, not even at night. I need a few minutes to miss her so I can fall in love all over again... Does that make any sense?***

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I have responded to many other moms’ with concerns about sleep patterns and I know what should work, but I seem to be getting in my own way.

I was a nanny for 9 years before having Kayla. I have seen so many scenarios, yet as everyone tells you, it is so different when they are yours. I have created a little monster!

Kayla is 8 months old and she is VERY clingy. I work two jobs, but she comes with me for both. I keep her stimulated and we have a weekly curriculum that we do to make sure that I keep up with her needs. The problem is that she is now so capable of doing for herself that I feel like she should not depend so much on me.

We have a bit of a routine that works well: Every morning when she wakes I feed her, change her and put her in her exersaucer (used to be a bouncer and then a pod chair) and I put on a Baby Einstein dvd. Once she is set up I can get something to eat, get dressed, go to the bathroom, etc.

Once that video is over I lose my autonomy until she goes to sleep at night. She screams at me every time I leave the room even for a second. She can crawl, and will follow me, but if I leave her line of vision she is fitful.

My husband can not relieve me for more than 10 minutes. As soon as she realizes that I am not right there she is unbelievable.

I have had a mother's helper since she was 2 months old, and the poor girl puts up with an hour of screaming to afford me a chance to do dishes or laundry or SHOWER. There is never a time that she handles my departure well.

Then at night she wakes every two hours and on bad nights every hour. I do not feed her every time she wakes, and I wait until she has committed herself to crying before I go into her room at all. At times I wait it out to see if she will cry herself to sleep, but she never does. When I go in she is standing in her crib screaming.

Add to the problem that I have real concern for the volume at night because I live in a town house and share a wall with our neighbor.

Her pediatrician recommended that I try some tough love, and just not go in. He said that in a few days she would wake less often and maybe not wake unless I came for her. I waited for my neighbor to be away before trying this, but it was not working.

I also find that I am on auto pilot at that hour, and I don't even realize that I am out of bed until I have her in my arms, so I have to retrain myself before this will have a real chance.

I am so tired, and my work and mood are suffering. If any of you have had a similar situation and care to share any ideas, please do. I am running out of steam.

Thanks.
F. G

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What can I do next?

So What Happened?™

Okay, so here we are two days after my original post. Already I have seen so much of a change.

Many of you empathized, and that was a relief just to know that I am not the first mom to feel drained at the start of every day.

Many of you showed concern for what you read...Please understand that my baby girl is everything to me. I don't want to leave her with a sitter, a nanny or in daycare which is why I have taken positions that she can go with me. I also recently changed jobs because she had outgrown my position where I was working for a non-profit helping homeless and street kids. Nothing is more important to me than her growth and development.

I have always been a natural nurturer, and with this comes the impulse to always give until I have nothing left to give. Well I had nothing left to give two months ago, and I kept giving. All I really wanted was 1-2 hours to read a book, or go for a walk and think. Gain some perspective. Miss her!!!

Lucky for me I had all of you to help me gain perspective without taking a solid hour to myself.

That, and I lost my car keys and had to take the day off, so Kayla and I had a stolen day. We must have adventured through every part of the house, back yard and neighbor's yard today. We were not on a schedule and it kind of felt like being a nanny again. I was gifted a slow paced day and I think I got the perspective shift with Kayla. She seemed to shift too!

The biggest change was that she did not panic when I stepped out of view. She knew I was close. She trusted that I would be back.

Even this slight change meant that I did not feel so confined. I am severely Closter phobic, and I can't even walk a Wal-Mart on a Saturday with out getting overwhelmed.

Tonight Kayla has been asleep for 3 hours already.

Thank you all for taking the time to consider my situation and what you would do or feel in my shoes. All of your responses, especially the ones that were hard to "hear," helped tremendously.

Who knows what tomorrow will bring, but Kayla and I had one heck of a break through today, and I already miss her.

Blessings.

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Wow, F., you must be exhausted.
You have an intresting juxtaposition of your profession as a nanny and the reality of being a mother. They are not the same thing, are they? It is always easier to give advice from the outside. Being the mother is much harder.

That is the reality - being a mother is hard! Being a good mother is even harder, but so rewarding. One of our most important jobs as a mother of a young baby is meeting our children's needs. When we are there to meet their needs as they express them, we create children who trust us to be there when they need us. We are their constant. Without that trust, the world is a scary place for a little one. Often, we expect that our babies should be more "independent" or secure when they are just not ready for that. What you are building right now is a relationship that will be the foundation of every relationship your baby has in her life. It is also the beginning of discipline (as Dr. Sears says). If your baby trusts you to always be there for her and meet her needs and keep her safe, then she will trust you later in her life when you provide appropriate boundaries for her.
Babies are not machines that you can program. They do not conform to our schedules and they are not capable of manipulating you. That concept is so far out of the radar at this point for her. Every baby is different and has different needs.

It sounds as though your baby is not getting enough of you. She can sense that you just want to move on to whatever you need to do next. The reality is that she needs you.
I wonder - if you committed yourself to her for one week (starting with a weekend where you have all day and night to devote to her), and focused on responding quickly to every time she fussed (don't let her get to a cry), carry her, using a sling when you need to be doing something (baby wearing), and even share sleep with her (ie. take a nap with her, or even sleep with her on a matress on the floor) - I wonder if she might settle down a bit.

That sling could be your best friend with this baby.

Also, you may want to consider the idea, and do some research on it yourself, that watching tv at this age - even the baby einstein videos - may be overstimulating for your baby. Maybe just an audio cd of the music would be enough for her. Let her look around the house and explore in her walker instead of stare at the tv.
I know that my advice may sound really radical in comparison to what you are doing. My suggestion is just for one week. Do with it what you will.
Here are some books that I highly recommend:

Fussy Baby, How to Bring Out the Best in Your High-Need Child by Dr. William Sears
Nighttime Parenting, How to Get Your Baby and Child to Sleep by Dr. William Sears
Let the Baby Drive: Navigating the Road of New Motherhood
Lu Hanessian
Of Cradles and Careers: A Guide to Reshaping Your Job to Include a Baby in Your Life
Kaye Lowman

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Hi F.,
Let me first start by saying that I was taught that if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. That being said I took along time to think about your situation before posting my thoughts. I think you should remember that your daughter is only 8 MONTHS old NOT 8 YEARS old. I don't think you can describe a baby as clingy. Isn't that what babies are suppose to do... be needy and clingy? If she was older I would understand your frustration. You talk about her as if she is ready to move out. You said, "she is now so capable of doing for herself that I feel like she should not depend so much on me." Seriously?? What is she so capable of doing? She is a baby and needs you as her mommy. By 8 months old my daugher was walking and still she needed me. Enjoy it because I can tell you now it won't last long. My youngest is almost 5 now and she is so independant that sometimes I feel as if she really doesn't need me anymore and it stinks! Being needed is one of the best things about being a mom. Maybe instead of focusing so much on "a curriculum to meet her needs" you should relax and love on her. Take a step back a deep breath and enjoy this very special tim in your daughters life. From here is where future relationships are started. As for the pediatrician I think I would find another one! My best friend has a 6 and a half month old and I can't imagine letting him "cry it out" They don't understand and I don't think you can "spoil" a baby at this age.

If you want her to sleep more and her waking is too disruptive maybe you can try more solid foods before bed. I don't necessarily agree with co-sleeping at this age, but if it works and helps her to tame the seperation anxiety why not try it. Do you have a heart beat bear for her crib? That used to help my oldest get back to sleep when he would wake in the middle of the night for no reason. What about a dim night light? At eight months old she is more aware of her situation and surroundings... maybe she is getting scare of the dark. Just a few ideas. I hope you find peace with your situation. It sounds like you do alot for our community kids. Now it is time to do something for yours.
Good luck and God Bless.

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i will be the voice of dissent at the moment - i think letting a baby cry it out (no matter what you call it) is horrible. Basically a baby only has her voice to warn you that she needs her. At night she is telling you that she needs you. when you just ignore her and not answer her cries, all you are teaching her is that her voice doesn't matter. it might help temporarily but one of the first MAJOR lessons you have taught her is that her needs, wants, her safety is of no concern to the only person she is supposed to rely on. I know mainstream America says it is okay, but mainstream America is also having really bad times with its children!
Have you tried a family bed? Or maybe move her crib into your room?
Babies are designed to want to be with their mama - just think about it - in the wild if a baby wasn't with mama, AND ALONE (like your little one is in her crib right now at night) then she was vulnerable! so that is why she is crying now - she doesn't know that she lives in 2008 - her design and yearning for life hasn't changed in over 10,000 years!
Or think of it another way - if your husband couldn't sleep and was crying and couldn't/wouldn't tell you what was wrong - would you just close the door and leave him alone and say "learn to sleep." i don't think so. so why do we think it is okay to do to our babies?

As for the clingyness - again that is sooooo age appropriate. try wearing her on your back in sling of some sort. that way you can do dishes, housework. or remember that she will only be this young once and your dishes will always be there!
i would not just let her scream and not get her. is it hard and time-consuming? well yes. but just think of the great trust you are building. and that is why babywearing is so great! she will probably be "clingy" for a long time BUT SHE IS ONLY EIGHT MONTHS OLD!! if she can't be a "baby" now, when can she! again, she is supposed to be this way. this is so she won't go crawling into danger. The Dr. Sears Baby Book talks a lot about this. Also, for when she is older, you really want to foster this bond. Read Hold Onto Your Kids - a great book that explains it.
and please remember, just because she "can" do something doesn't mean she is ready for what we think she should be ready for. she will tell you when she is ready and obviously she is telling you she is NOT yet ready.

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Yep...you've made the mommy discovery, and why I don't listen to any "expert" who doesn't have kids, or even some of the male experts that do. Babies don't understand rationalization and "should haves" or "supposed tos".

As you probably know, this is the age of clinginess, and it's probably going to get worse over the next few months. Have you considered co-sleeping? For us, it was really the only way any of us were going to get some real sleep. She'll get to the age when she will want to be a big girl (it may be another year or so) and want her own space, but having her in bed w/you could save your sanity and health now. We bought the bed rails from BabiesRUs and surrounded the bed.

The other thing that helped us is after feeding and dressing, take a few minutes (10-15) to give her your full attention and play with her. Both my kids were pretty demanding, and I found that if I gave them full attention and played with them, it would go great, then they would want to be more on their own, over time, pretty much telling me to leave them alone after 10-15 mins was up. Thus, we were all happy and I could get something done. It's like they need that undivided attention (and deserve it), and then they're happy. My little one will say, "No, mommy, stay and color." (she's 2 now), but I will explain I have to do some work. As long as she's had a few mins of undivided attention and play, it's easier for her to take it. Another reason for the clinginess, and the waking at night is it's possible she feels she's not getting enough of you during the day. You are a busy person, but babies don't care! It's all about them.

I also found that feeding my kids something a little heavier/more substantial before bed helped them sleep better. Not perfectly yet, though. My 8 year old sleeps all night, but my 2 year old still has her 3am wakings often. Now that she's older, however, she's so sleepy that with a backrub, she goes right back to sleep.

I, also, will never do the cry it out, and another poster (Diane T.) said it so well. This is their method of communication, and if you ignore it, it will hurt the bond and trust. There are those times when I have delayed answering my kids' whines and cries and found out later there was something wrong - a fever, messy diaper, hand or arm caught. It only takes one time to find out there was something wrong and mommy guilt kicks in. I won't let a kid just cry. An hour? Wow. I can't imagine letting an adult cry for an hour without a hug!

They just grow up all too soon.

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I would kind of "kill her with kindness." In my experience babies/children sometimes sense that you are pulling away from them and want to get more space for yourself so they come after you all the more. If you were to try baby wearing for instance and wear her almost exlusively for a couple weeks it may break the battern and help her to feel more secure in your availability to her. Also, make sure you are nursing on demand so that she has a good sense of security. I look at it as a Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs issue. You have to make her feel secure before she'll loosen up and achieve her highest potential. She knows that without you she would die (you are her source of everything) and she's just acting like it. If any of us were as dependent as a newborn we would go nuts if our source of everything left our side too.

Honestly all the closeness builds a lot of self assurance and as your children get older all that self assuredness leeds them to be very capable independent people who give you more space than other people's children. There are rewards!!!

So in short, try babywearing almost all the time for several weeks and see how it goes.

Hope this helps,
S.

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I have four children ages 14,12,7,4. My 12 year old did that from birth to age 2. I tried EVERYTHING!!! She cried day and night. She stopped when I weened her from nursing and found out she was allergic to dairy. I wasn't "feeding" her dairy but I was eating dairy and then breastfeeding her... When you try the "tough love" and it doesn't work, then maybe there is a food allergy or other health concern. Look for other symptoms too. I think dairy is the most common among young children. My children couldn't tolerate corn or gluten or soy also at a young age. I breastfed them all so it was a matter of watching what I ate...Good luck to you and hang in there. You're doing a great job by looking into everything and trying to figure this out. Blessings!

J.

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I have a nine month old and was in the same situation about a month ago! She is still very clingy. I just try to reassure her that I'm not going to leave her alone..I can leave mine with her big sister though ad that makes it better.
Do you have a carrier? or a back pack? I used to nurse mine in a sling while I did dishes laundry, etc.
-I know what you mean though, Mine used to crawl into the bathroom and scream at me while I took a shower (I dont have a mothers helper-and my husband is a pilot so I have the girls 4 days alone)
I don't believe in letting your baby "cry it out"
I would jump at the smallest little peep from the baby's room. Finally I let her make noise and try to put her self back to sleep. Unless she is crying-I give her a minute or so and then go nurse her.
If it's a possibility, maybe sleep next to her (in your bed) a couple nights, THis might reassure her separation issues. Start sleeping through the night and then move her to her bed.
Good Luck, Try not to do TOO much, you are a mother now, and this little girl needs YOU, at this time in her life. If you are too busy with your other jobs maybe hire help.
I started my own company and got soo busy my family life started suffering.
This motherhood thing is not something you can just phone in. Stick with it, stay strong! :)

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Hi F.! What you said about missing your kid so that you can fall in love again is just what I feel! I'd like to offer some moral support of your desire not to try any "cry-it-out" stuff. I haven't read your other responses, no doubt lots of people recommend looking at the Dr Sears attachment stuff. I'm doing the attachment parenting thing, including co-sleeping with my nearly 1-year-old and feeding on demand, even at night. The other night, I asked my husband to do the comforting when our baby woke before I'd gone to bed. After half an hour, with the cries becoming increasingly frantic, I went upstairs to see if I could help (I don't usually like to intervene but half an hour is a very long time to have a baby cry, to me). My husband was trying to comfort without picking up, and our baby just wasn't having it! The next day he was SUPER clingy and whiny, and it took a week to settle him into his previous happy self. I think some kids just need a lot of attention, even at night, and it's not their fault or their parents' fault. Is it possible to try the full attachment-type of care model? Perhaps you could just see if it does anything for you! Oh, I'm getting all the rest I need co-sleeping, even though my baby also wakes usually at least four times a night.

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