M.A. asks from Venice, CA on April 25, 2008
21 Month Old Having Night Terrors?
My 21 month old girl was a great sleeper (10 hours through the night) until she was 5 months old. We took a trip overseas and that first night she stopped sucking her thumb and only took a bottle to get back to sleep. Long story short, it's 1 1/2 years later and we've tried every method known to man. It's just a little better now, she only wakes once or twice a night and usually can get by without a bottle, but needs some help getting back to sleep from us (back rub, singing, quick cuddle). My question is not about her sleep issues, I've read it all, done it all and am now just trying to "assist" her getting back to sleep with the hope that she will learn how herself sometime soon. My questions is...is 21 months too young to have night terrors? Occasionally, not every night, she wakes screaming like she is terrified and those times are the hardest to comfort her back to sleep. If it is night terrors, is there anything we can do to help her? She is generally a happy, funny, stubborn girl who speaks full sentences and is potty training herself. I've asked her is she is scared and she says no.I've also asked her is she has to go potty and she says no. All I can think of is nightmares. Has anyone else had experience with them in kids this young?
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Wow! I can't believe the wealth of great advice I have received. Thanks to everyone. I will try to pay attention to how busy her days are. It seems that most kids get them after a big day or over-stimulation. We are a pretty active family and do a lot. Maybe she needs to sit some of that out. And I learned a lot about how to handle it when she has them. Thank you thank you!!
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L.B. answers from Los Angeles on April 28, 2008
My daughter had night terrors that young...even younger I believe. I'm sorry I never did find a solution to them. But I did notice that she would have them on nights after we had big days...disneyland, birthday parties, if she missed her nap. I think it mostly was out of exaustion. The last one she had was when she was 7 years old millenium New Years Eve. She is now 14 so she grew out of it eventually but ya it took a while. She did seem to have them more often when she was a baby to about 3 yrs. old. Im sorry I dont have more advise but I do hope that you find an answer so you can all rest better.
S.M. answers from Los Angeles on April 26, 2008
I personally think that having night terrors at the age of 21 months is not too young.I think that maybe this is just a phase. It will take time for her to get over this.My advice,do'nt worry as much.She will be okay.
J.D. answers from Las Vegas on April 26, 2008
Usually night terrors don't begin until around age 3 when abstract thinking begins but I suppose anything is possible. To me it sounds like gas pains. Maybe watch what she eats for supper (no gasey veggies etc.) and for a before bed snack. Sometimes milk can cause nighttime gas pains. Good luck.
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M.C. answers from Honolulu on April 26, 2008
My daughter did this too. Usually, it was after a very active day, or a day that was out of routine in some way. It was shocking, frightening, and I felt helpless. But I recognized what it was the first time it happened, and advised my husband not to intervene and she soon snuggled back to sleep. (Mom and Dad were pretty rattled for hours, though!!)
She is six now, and she doesn't do this anymore, but she does talk in her sleep. She also thrives on routine, so I think the night terrors were just her way of "working it out" when her day was more than she could handle.
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J.R. answers from Los Angeles on April 26, 2008
Hi M.,
Our son, now 12yrs old, has had occassional night terrors since he was about two. He's a very active, bright kid, who squeezes every moment he can into a day. There is lots of information on the internet about them - here's just one that sums it up: http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/sleep/a/night_terrors.htm
Night terrors differ from nightmares in that during a terror, not unlike sleepwalking, the kids don't remember having them. They are usually under some sort of stress--in our son's case, it's fevers that trigger his terrors (so, stress on the body/mind from illness).
After many years of dealing with it, here's what we've discovered with our son:
- he almost always gets them if he has a fever above 100-101.
- if we give him Motrin/Advil for children to ease the fever before bedtime, he will have a terror about 1.5 hrs. later. So, if we give him the medicine at 8:00pm and he goes to bed at 9:00, he'll have one between 9:30 - 10:00pm.
- if we give him Tylenol for children, he won't sleep well (it doesn't usually kick his fever fast or long enough), he'll have one more around 12-2:00am.
It's very disconcerting because when he has them, he sits up in bed shouting for us or against the "monster", he doesn't see us in the room and sometimes, just calls us over and over again. It's hard to see him so helpless, stuck in this terrible dream-state.
I've learned over the years though that comforting (touching) him can cause us to become part of the night terror -- for example, we become the "monster" he "sees". However, if I talk to him (and sometimes a little loudly) to re-assure him and calm him down, "mom's here, you're ok, everything's ok", after about 5-15 minutes he just lays back down and falls to sleep. Sometimes I'll ask him "Mom's here, do you want me to hold you?", he'll respond yes or no, then I'll either hold him or still stand about 2 feet away and keep talking until he calms down and falls back to sleep. I do stay though at his bedside and keep talking to ensure he doesn't hurt himself (e.g., fall out of bed). Sometimes he wakes himself up enough and wants water or for me to hold him or to come to our bedroom and we follow suit. In the morning, he never remembers them and again, for us, it only seems to be associated with fevers and can literally be timed to occur about 1-1/2 hrs after going to bed. Now, if the fever is high and I feel the need to give him a fever reducer, I give it to him about 1-1 1/2 hours BEFORE he goes to bed to reduce the chances of him having one.
I should mention that occassionally, like all of us, he does have nightmares. These are very different from terrors in that he'll wake himself up quickly and will usually come in our room and ask if he can sleep with us. He's fully awake, communicating, not in a panic, etc. And like most of us when we were kids, there's nothing like snuggling with your mom or dad after having a nightmare. :)
If she's experiencing nightmares, if appropriate, you might try slowing the routine down a little a couple of hours before bed...a nice bath, a calming book read in a rocking chair or having quiet snuggle time - basically a "bedtime routine" is important in winding down the day. I think this is more key when you have a "type A personality" child. No TV, or games, (things that could be activating her mind later during sleep).
It's documented that most kids with night terrors will be relieved of them by 12-14yrs old, but a small percentage will have them into adulthood. Doctors don't seem to fully understand them but then again, there's a lot they don't know yet about the brain.
I wish you and your family the best M.!
C.P. answers from Las Vegas on April 26, 2008
My daughter started having nightmares around 2 - she would wake up screaming, crying, and it didn't look as if she was awake. We would just comfort her until she would lay back down and in the morning she would not remember. She is 4 1/2 now and has not had one for about 6 months, but it did happen about 2 times a month for about 2 years. Thankfully they have stopped. It is scary but .... we just made sure we protected her from whatever. Someone told me not to turn on the light when you go in there - good luck, hopefully it will pass
T.C. answers from Los Angeles on April 26, 2008
My oldest son (6 1/2 years old now) had night terrors. He would have them sometimes at night and sometimes at nap time. I think they started around 18 months. He stopped having them around 2-3 years old. So I don't think 21 months is too young to be having them. When my son would have one, we couldn't get near him to hug him because it would make it worse and he would get more excited if we touched him. I would sit on his bed, talk to him, tell him mommy was there, then maybe put my hand on him, and eventually he would calm down. I would be able to hug him or rub his back without disturbing him. A lot of the times, he would go back to sleep like he didn't ever wake up or no that we were there.
G.H. answers from Los Angeles on April 26, 2008
Hi M..
When I researched night terrors because my daughter started them at 9 years old, most of the information said they happen in the toddler phase. It's terrifying. They do pass. I hope you can get some sleep! Maybe you and your husband can take turns getting up to watch your poor daughter scream like there's no tomorrow and then not remember it. Might alert the neighbors? Maybe your daughter needs to travel again to get over it! You never know. With night terrors there is nothing to help her. You just have to wait for them to disappear. As hard as that is. Don't try to wake her. I think ours lasted about 3 months?
All my best, G.
M.Z. answers from Los Angeles on April 27, 2008
M., I am a mother of 4 (15, 13, 2.5 and 8 months)...My daughter, who is 2 years and 9 months old, is not yet potty trained. She started sleeping in her own bed in January (we recently added on, so she was in her crib in our room, but would fall asleep in our bed first and then I would put her in the crib and she would wake up all the time, 3-4 times a night) but since she has been in her own bed she usually sleeps thru the night. On occasion she wakes up yelling or screaming and I have found that if I can read her a book, promoting posive things, like Barbie or Dora, or I let her watch a movie before bedtime, so she doesn't fall asleep watching it and then we say prayers and I tell her to have dreams of Barbie or Cinderella or the mice or flowers or whatever is positive for her., I know she woke up yelling about her toys one time and earlier that day she had a playdate and didn't want to share, so she was remembering that in her sleep. I hope this works for you, my daughter sleeps thru the night, but if she wakes up, I just take her back in her room, give her a kiss and tell her it is still sleeping time, since it is dark out, but when the sun comes out then it is time for her to get up. Try that, and then leave the room. I know my daughter had a hard time putting her self to sleep at first and I did leave her in there crying a few times but now she usually goes to sleep like a champ, unless she is overtired. Best of luck to you!
M.
C.P. answers from Los Angeles on April 28, 2008
From what I have heard, 21 months is certainly not too young for night terrors. In fact, I'm pretty certain that my daughter started having them as early as 6 months.It would happen on days that she got really over-tired, like when we went to Disneyland and she didn't nap. Have you noticed a pattern of when it happens with your daughter?
From what I know (see What to Expect: Toddler Years), night terrors are relatively common in the toddler years. They differ from nightmares in that they typically come on relatively soon after the child goes to sleep (within the first couple hours), where as nightmares come later in the sleep pattern.
The book recommended that you leave the child alone during night terrors because they aren't really awake (even though their eyes may be open and their arms may be reaching) and, so long as you don't wake them up, they won't remember it in the morning. The book said to just check to make sure they are safe (i.e. can't hurt themselves somehow) and let them fall back asleep (can take 10-30 minutes).
My daughter hasn't had an episode since I read the advice, so I'm not sure how it works. Let me know how it goes for you, and I look forward to reading all of the other responses to your post!
A.E. answers from Los Angeles on April 26, 2008
My oldest son had night terrors too. He was probably around your daughters age and had them for about two years. The thing that worked best for us was to NOT wake him. Even if your daughter says she doesn't need to go potty, she probably does. We stopped asking my son. We took him by the hand, led him to the bathroom and told him to go. He went the bathroom without ever really waking up all the way. We also put a glass of water to his lips and he drank while still asleep. After that we just led him back to bed and tucked him in and he was calm again. It seems that a lot of kids with night terrors are thirsty and/or need the bathroom, but they don't know how to wake up to take care of business and this causes them distress. They may appear to be awake, but they are not - this is really a form of sleep walking. (I was a sleep walker myself as a child and even unlocked the back door once and woke up in the back yard.) We had to go through the whole routine with my son on a nightly basis, but he did outgrow it.
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